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behalf of all of us here at special report, thanks for spending part of your thanksgiving with us. thanks for watching special report. i mike emanuel, good night from washington. ♪ >> across the country tonight, families and friends are gathering to celebrate thanksgiving, it's a time for turkey, pumpkin pie, and to count our blessings, but it can also be a tricky time around the dinner table when the conversations turn to certain controversial events. tonight, we're going to look at some of the stories that have become fault lines of the dinner table near you. welcome to "the story" thanksgiving. i martha maccallum. 2017 has been a year like no other. president trump took office in january, much to delight of his fans and the consternation of
his critics. a new study finds politics really are impacting our gatherings. in some cases, they cut celebrations short. last year, a poll is done of republican voters were more likely to bail on their democratic family moved then ve versa. we put together a bipartisan audience who debate some of this year's hottest topics so that you don't have to. including social justice is on the menu tonight, oh sexual harassment and of course the tax cut. >> for taxes, i'm going to give a massive tax cut to every worker and small businesses in this country. everyone's taxes, we want to go down. we will massively cut taxes for the middle class, the forgotten
people. the forgotten men and women of this country who built our country. we will massively lower taxes. >> martha: massively lower taxes, so no taxi from could become reality, so will you get what you are promised question mike let's kick it around the table. raise your hands if you think that you are going to get a tax cut. really? you guys are convinced that with this plan, you are not actually going to get a tax cut? was to tell that? >> i think trump is coming to this with good spirits, however the bipartisan differences is going to prevent him from getting it passed. he's looking at the reagan era tax cuts and i think would be a phenomenal force of society. when you look at high tax states isaiah's new york and new jersey, you have your pelican congressman and i think that's going to hurt this bill going forward. speak out your right to a
certain sense. i disagree with that aspect. i think the other cuts are more than going to make up for that. i'm hoping, again, being a new yorker -- in some parts of the country the state and local tax deductions are a huge issue. will it pass and how will it impact you? >> i think the thing to remember is that taxes and budgets are moral documents and set physical documents. there were tax graduate students were trying to get masters degrees.
we've seen over the past nine months that people like the aca. we had overwhelming support for it. it's interesting to see these issues that if you were to ask someone how you feel about people going and getting an education or having health care, those are pretty evergreen. >> martha: here's the problem with that. a moral document, you say. some people think it's immoral to have $20 trillion in debt and some people feel like their tax dollars when they get sent to washington are being wasted. for them, they find, perhaps, a different kind of immorality in the way we pay taxes on the way the money is spent. >> what's more about me paying $17,000 in land taxes? this is where the job is. why should i have to move?
>> martha: what do you say to people who say you need to talk to your state and local legislators? the tax rates are too high in those areas and thus the federal government's fault. >> we elected our local official, but at the same time if you want to raise the economy, if it's truly about punishing people who voted one way or the other. the idea is to put more money back in the hands of the private sector. that's what raises the whole country. if you give us more money, we can make good decisions with the money we have. >> martha: let me pose another question to all of you. is it okay that 70% of the tax burden is paid by only 10% of the country? >> that's immoral. >> i own a gun range and i live in new jersey.
the burden should not be on such a small percentage of people. the problem in our country now, the tinkerers are outnumbering the makers. we are doomed to socialism. >> i'm sitting here as a graduate student and what i'm hearing is my income has apparently tripled and you say the takers are going to run the country. if someone can go to school and they can afford it and playfully by themselves, they get to take that deduction and because i have restarted off behind, now i'm feeling the burden. >> i disagree with that. what she's talking about, the graduate student is being taxed, so that's one issue.
if you like what the average income ends in our neighborhood, we have more people be able to see more coming home at the end of the day on their checks. we also have an opportunity right now to at least unwind portions of the aca which was rounded to a tremendous amount of legislation which it shouldn't have been in and the question really becomes what kind of decisions can you make? in terms of health care for the constituents in my district, the simple fact that an executive order was signed that i can buy health care in another state moves us away from a single person having to pay about $800 a month and health care insurance two may be paying $400 a month. that makes a lot of difference. >> 80% of new yorkers and 80% of the country are receiving subsidies to cover their health care. yes, there's a small majority of folks were paying a higher amount, i'm one of them.
for the large majority of people who are covered under the aca, they're getting support. >> i have to certainly disagree with that. every single small business owner in america, every single start up in america, every single company that's under 1,000 people in america is dealing with some very significant health care burdens in addition to which you have major insurers pull out of marketplaces across the united states continually driving up costs. the whole point of obamacare was to cover that 30%. we are not even to do that. >> martha: let me pose a larger question. in terms of how this is being paid for, doesn't bother any of you that it's basically moving money around rather than cutting spending, cutting government spending has not even been a topic. we are told will get to that later.
>> i'm a small business owner. what i see and a lot of people fail to look at is people are paying less taxes, they're going to have more take-home pay. as the rest of the president's plan involves, there is going to be more tax revenue to the government. that tax revenue is going to reduce spending because we are going to have more tax revenue coming in. there are so many special interest programs, let tax revenue come in. when i call is a whole pie approach. rather than look at one slice of the pie, you should look up the whole economy and say if we are going to people jobs, make them
available, boost the economy, there's going to be more revenue coming to the businesses. with that increased revenue, you're going to see spending decrease. it's more money. >> martha: we have some pretty rosy forecasts for 2018. thanks. there are a lot of families in america this year who are sitting at a table that has a missing person. we all watched the scenes in los angeles and texas. what do we do about guns and your second amendment right? the next course of this debate is coming up next. >> if he didn't have a gun instead of having 26 dead, you would have had hundreds more dead. ♪
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still coping with how dramatically their lives have changed. the tragedy became quickly political. here's hillary clinton shortly after. the crowd flooded the sound of gunshots. imagine the depths of the shooter had a silencer which the nra wants to make it easier to get to love. she went on to say, our grief isn't enough. we can and must put politics aside, stand up to the nra and work together to try to stop this from happening again. if hillary clinton were across the table from you this thanksgiving and you were discussing this very hot issue, what would you want to say? all the hands go up. let me start with you back in the corner. >> of course we're talking about the second amendment which is you have the right to bear arms. you also look at legislation and
registration. we look at the data to see that some of the people who were shooters didn't have certain issues, so they were okay. the next step i would say is that we place a certain active shooter plan in place. we can't throw the baby out with a bucket so to speak. if we have an active shooter plan in place like they had in california, it worked out and law enforcement officials stated there that because of this, they saved so may lives. we can't catch everybody and we don't know whether the other person is good or bad. >> martha: let me bring something up. stephen paddocks who was the las vegas shooter had amassed 33 guns and he had no prior record, should there be a limit on the number of firearms that someone is able to purchase? >> absolutely. there's no need for 33 guns. if you want them and that's fine, you can have them, but
they should be in a secure location at your gun club, but they don't need to be in your home and they certainly don't need to be accessible to you 24 hours a day. your second amendment right does not trump my right to live freely and to breathe and go to a movie theater and go to a concert. >> martha: hold on, she brings up a valid point. where do we draw the line? you have a right to own a gun legally. that man should never have been able to buy legal weapons. is 33 guns okay? >> she mentioned that no one needs to have 33 guns, we're not talking about the needs, we're talking about the right. i would tell hillary, first thing i would tell her and
everybody else calling for more gun control is give up your own armed guards. if you're standing behind you are armed guards and telling the rest of us every day people that we shouldn't have the right to bear arms to protect ourselves. >> the first thing i would say to hillary before she comments on anything else, i would say go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200. that's what i would tell hillar hillary. >> i don't know why we're talking about hillary clinton when the president -- is that we do want to address this issue when obviously there's a need. people have died and they should come up with a plan. i just want to hear them say something.
>> martha: there are no limits whatsoever? >> there needs to be limits, but we need gun control. when we look at a city like chicago, chicago has the highest level of gun violence in the country. when we look at the situation that happened in las vegas, he acquired those guns legally. the problem we have is we have disjointed legislation from state to state and often in a place like new york city, we dealt with something referred to as the iron pipeline. people would purchase weapons in states like georgia, virginia, north carolina, et cetera. these were illegally acquired firearms -- i'm almost finished. the only thing about gun control, the first point of focus are legal gun owners and
that's the problem. we need to target the people that acquire illegally. >> martha: i want to talk about the shooter in texas. he should never have been allowed to purchase any guns, he legally purchased guns into states, california and texas. the air force should not do what they should have done which was notified for almost killing his 2-year-old stepson and choking his wife. he should never have been able to legally purchase a gun. there is a something the process that we're doing which is put in place to try to protect people that is not working. what do we do about that? >> there are enough gun lords in place and you hit it right on the head. in this case, the air force did not report the situation, they didn't report that to the fbi.
that was a miss communication between the armed services and the fbi. the laws are in effect if the air force were to have reported the fbi when that gentleman went for a check, he would have failed. >> martha: the law didn't work, that's my point. speak out this is focusing on the wrong issue. we can talk about all of these great things, but when we look at the government, we have that competition. what we need to be focused on is the underlying world view and understanding why are these people committing crimes? we look at europe or even here with people who use weapons and weaponized vehicles and they run into people. no regulation is going to stop someone who is motivated to kil kill.
we need to address the worldview perspective and as a christian, we need to be looking at where is the understanding of the other people? >> martha: let's hear from paul mae. >> i'm the president of the board for new york city gun violence. before you start jumping on me, i'm a member of my kaiser publican committee. what secretary clinton was discussing was a mass shooting. what she did not address was when someone gets killed in a shooting. unfortunately, the 50 people who work in las vegas were just a statistical dock to the people who are killed just that day. what we need to do, dan referred earlier to the iron pipeline, and makes a lot of sense if you're in new york city, new york city has fairly strict gun laws and we are the third lowest state and turns of guns
death. there is no limit to the number of guns that a citizen can buy a new york. i do agree. intelligence did confirm the second amendment right to bear arms, but it also confirmed legislators and legislation that restricted reasonably. >> martha: we're going to take a quick break and will come back with another very volatile topic karen sexual-harassment scandals seem to be everywhere and they have taken down some of the biggest players in hollywood, the media, and now it's spreading on capitol hill. what concerns you the most about what is going on here? that is next. maria is an incredible mom. when it comes to helping her daughter, shopping for groceries, unclogging the sink, setting updentist appointments and planning birthday parties, nobody does it better. she's also in a rock band. look at her shred. but when it comes to mortgages,
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>> live from america's news headquarters. there are reports tonight that president trump's one-time national security advisor michael flynn is cooperating with prosecutors who are possibly negotiating a deal. "the new york times" reports that lawyers for flynn has told the president's legal team that they can all agree discuss the investigation of special prosecutor robert mueller. an agreement to share
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single day, we wake up and another prominent person is splashed across the headlines with sexual harassment charges. where do you think all of this is going and what concerns you about this? >> the more educated population is coming forward and that's where a lot of those allegations come from. in the past, people weren't as educated. i think it's a necessary conversation that we need to have and we need to continuously sustain this because if not, it tapers off and falls off and we go back to where we were. >> i think every woman on this panel can agree, there have been times in your life where you've dealt with some form of inappropriate comments, behavior, what have you. i think there is a dangerous slope going on where we are calling out a witch hunt in
every civil situation. there are times when it's a factor between two adults. there are things that happen. i don't think we should absolutely call everyone who is accused guilty because we presume innocence. in the case of roy moore, there are some questions about the accusers. at the same time, i see on the left, we have pictures of al franken grabbing. why isn't he being called out to resign? >> as a survivor of sexual assault, i have some strong opinions on this issue. not every single person who has had some thing happen to them, they don't need to come out and say what has happened to be taken seriously. whether it's been five months, e
decades, women should be able to say that this happened and it was wrong. i do not believe that we are allowed to have a slippery slope when it comes to sexual assault and specifically to minors. i don't know how we've gotten to a place where minors are being questioned. it's preposterous to me that we are discrediting people from what's gone on. they're not believed when they do. >> this is about people in power abusing their power and no one wants to talk about that. i think all of these allegations coming out is going to lead us in a good direction because the people in power it might think twice before they abuse their power because now women are speaking out, women are calling them out. we don't have to hide and wait. we can go right to social media.
i know you said you're concerned about women wrongly accusing people, that might happen, but at least they'll think twice before they do that. >> there is no a story that's come out in the past few days that has been used for settlement money. that money comes from all of you, comes from me and nobody knew about this fund or it certainly wasn't common knowledge. >> hollywood types come out and say i only got into the business because i get checks. i know it sounds crazy, it's probably wrong to say, but i think there's a lot of that. these guys have the power, they abuse the power, they want to be in that position and they're using our money to protect themselves. i have a daughter, it's absolutely horrendous, these people should be put in prison. there's no doubt about it.
the problem that i do have is that you are innocent until proven guilty. if you empower someone to say he is a molester, then people are empowered to come out. i think the big change has been cell phones. there are pictures. >> i'm a campaign manager. i think the allegations, it's a strong time for women dumb to come forward and have a voice for their voice to matter. before it was a woman's voice was only a fifth of a man's voice, but now people are coming forward. i'm really happy to see there being taken seriously. at the same time, i think politicians who are calling for al franken to resign are hypocrites because they're not
paying attention to roy moore. how can you look at one side? >> martha: that's a great point because there is underlying this, everyone wants people who have this conversation to speak out and certainly the kind of man that joe talked about need to be put in their place. there are concerns that some of it is opposition. you can see people flying at each other on a daily basis. in terms of the potential manipulation of that, is that something that we should be concerned about? >> i don't think this is a democratic problem our republican problem. it's an american problem. if it comes out because of opposition research, then good because it needs to come out. if you are doing these things, you should not be elected to our congress, you should not be representing us because i think everybody on this panel can
agree, that doesn't represent u us. >> no woman should have to compromise her values and compromise herself to get position, a job, or ahead in life. it's wrong that any man or a woman in power takes over another person like that. it's wrong and it shouldn't happen. i'm glad all of this stuff is coming to light. finally people are taking notic notice. now these people are finally going to pay.
they abuse their power and that is wrong in every way. there is a possibility that some women will come out and say he abused me 30 years ago and it may not be true, so we do have to keep it in mind that you are innocent until proven guilty. like someone else said, when you have pictures, al franken, you have pictures -- >> martha: great discussion and great point. coming back, president trump has made his feelings known when it comes to issues of the nfl. he did not want college vasco appears to think shoplifting was no big deal. the president speaks out about patriotism and accountability. what does that say about the future of the nfl, about the future of our country? that's next.
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>> martha: thanksgiving, turkey, football, all those good things, but this year, some fans are calling for a boycott of the nfl. the league has seen its unfavorably rise dramatically over the years. more than double -- the last four years alone karen this season has been marked by the fierce debate over sideline protests. a recent fox news poll finds the majority believe that kneeling during the anthem is an appropriate. herschel walker weighed in on this recently saying that everyone should stand for the anthem. despite all that, "gq" magazine has determined that the man who started all of this, colin kaepernick, is their citizen of the year. what we think? is colin kaepernick citizen of the year? you agree, go ahead. >> i think colin kaepernick has really taken a great loss to bring forth an issue of importance that's happening in america right now.
i think he brought it to the forefront. you don't get to skip over the first amendment and go straight to the second, you have to love them all. >> martha: who disagrees? >> absolutely racism is an issue i need to bring those conversations, we have to consider the forum. the nfl has the right to tell their players what uniform they can begin, where they can become a what they need to do, what they need to stand for or not. that's part of their employment contract that's the government. >> to your point, stemming for the anthem is not part of the employment contract. the reality is these are public figures and colin kaepernick, who is not the first athlete by the way, the wnba, i think the mystics started taking a stance about this during their team
playing offense. the bigger picture is the things we've circumvented, he was protesting social injustice and police brutality. >> i'm a former nypd lieutenant and i'm a former law officer and i understand that we do have a series of social injustices playing out in our society. however, there's time in a place for it. if that's your issue, address it with her legislator, not on the field karen when i watch a football game -- you hear me out, we'll get to you in one second. when i went to watch a football game, i want to watch the game. i'm not interested in a protest. they're disrespecting the flag, the troops, and our american
way. >> you part of the players are disrespecting the troops, colin kaepernick was going to sit and then he decided to take a knee because he wanted to show respect for the military. we only had some thing to say after the president had something to say. >> can we get to the point of he was supposed be protesting racial injustice? more caucasians are killed every year by cops than black americans. that's an actual statistical fact. the bottom line is when you're on that field, you are part of a team. you're there to play football. if you want to say something about social injustice or any other thing, you have the right off the field.
>> one of the great things about this is that this is america. we get a chance to express our opinions. other countries, we would get to have this sort of debate. it wasn't something that was embedded that had to be there. the good thing about this country as we get a chance to express our opinions even though it may not be the appropriate forum. because you express those opinions, people are now listening and now we have a conversation. now we can come to the table and discuss these issues. people are entitled to do whatever they want to do. i'm a veteran myself and also retorted law enforcement. when they argue about the forum, this country allows us.
>> i'm not a football fan, i honestly don't care about any of these people. in our country, so many important things are happening and this is a gigantic waste of time. if you want to change, do it on the outside. president trump should focus on his own stuff, the medium of should focus was going on in the administration and that's more important. this week alone, the new dhs nominee for president trump sat there and told us she doesn't believe in immigration. no one talked about it because they're talking about things are less important. >> martha: quick break, we'll come right back and give you a chance for a final say. and has been said that divided we fall and we're pretty divided right now. we've been through worse in many believe that our best days are ahead. do you agree with that? what unites us and what we are thankful for on the story next.
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weakening. that got us thinking about the things where think before this year as a nation and our panel is back. what divides us, what unites us, what are your deepest concerns? >> i agree that politics do divide us and we've really come as a country and to release operating often to our two corners and completely ignoring that middle part. even when the government shutdown happened, and happened because people tell their size and they refused to figure out how to come together. i am thankful i come from a place where the value is where we can find those common ground grounds.
>> martha: what about president trump and his role? >> and terms of his role dividing the country? over the past eight years, this country was divided by president obama. he made more divisions in this country than any other president. president trump is coming in on the tail end of that and like the young lady said over there, politics is dividing us and a way that it's never divided us before. when i was a kid, people never talked about who you voted for. >> i'm thankful to be an american, i'm grateful to god that we live in a country where we can have these debates and
still all be together as an american family and at the same time, i want to say i'm very thankful and grateful that we have president trump in the white house. >> i'm not going to clap to tha that. we can have these spirited debates, but no one listens. we'll never be heard, so nothing is accomplished. i think if we really took a timeout to listen to one another, treat each other with respect, respect each other as human beings and actually love each other -- let me finish. we would have more in common than not. where is the love in the world? >> i think it boils down to her family. when you talk to anybody, no matter what site of the political aisle you're on, if you start talking about their family, they love their family. if we focus on that, what we can do to make our families better, my kid came home from college today. it's awesome. everyone loves that and that's
the thing that we do have in common and we need to keep our families together. we have a lot of things that attacks our families, whether it's drugs or alcohol or sexual attacks, but our job is to make our family stronger. >> martha: hopefully that's happening on this thanks giving day. >> i agree with you that it starts with family. one of the things i find, especially with the media, you expect someone that i've been in conversations with a republican that when you sit at the table and are actually talking, you don't see fox news or cnn, you're looking for people to start listening to each other. try to have those conversations and see where you can match up to what we are living in this
country trying to make it a better place. >> martha: one last thought. >> i hear people say the media this, the media that. the truth of the matter is i don't have the ability to see what happens -- i can't see what's happening in arizona or california, so i think the media affects us as a population. politics has been separating us as a country and unfortunately, it's not getting any better. i think donald trump is done a lot of good things, but there are things he may want to take a step back on because he can be a tremendous unifier, but he needs to come to the table. >> martha: will be right back with some final thoughts on the story. stay with us. ♪ (mark zona) shop like a pro for great doorbuster deals
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